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In this talk I will take the listener on a journey from standard agile relative estimation through different perspecitives and estimation techniques. Borrowing from the #NoEstimates movement and utilizing Lean forecasting techniques, this talk will provide food for thought on alternative ways to think about estimation and the age old problems associated with it. This will be backed up with practical experiences from the Canada Microsite project which was part of the 2021 Canada Intitive.